This is on Daily Kos, and I get nailed as a Republican insurgent?

By Robert Fischer | Published: December 10, 2007

It is crystal clear that the Congressional Democrats are divided and incapable at best, and incompetent at worst. We have been through month after month of similar “showdowns”, followed by similar collapses. This time, it at least has a financial price attached: if the Democrats are willing to sell out on the one overriding issue that brought them back into power, in the 2006 elections, at least we know they are able to use it as bargaining chip for other issues. Somehow, that is the exact opposite of comforting.

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In battle after battle the House and Senate Dems have made it crystal clear that they do not give a flying shit about their base. They wish we’d just curl up and die. They’re happy to have the free help spreading their points, but that help does not reciprocate in any way. There’s not a damn thing they’ll do on our behalf, or on behalf of the voters who made their regained power possible — not one thing.

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My diary doesn’t seem so bad after that…

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  • http://hamletdarcy.blogspot.com Hamlet D’Arcy

    I think being a respected author/blogger means two wildly different things between the developer and political commentary communities. Can you imagine a series of articles called “What I learned from political party X that makes me a better political party Y member?”, yet developers see this as a serious question to be thought about critically. Or how about if a developer posts “10 reasons why java stinks”. This type of article might play pretty well if it were called “10 reasons why democrats stink”. I think that is the thesis of several books, in fact. But it would probably cause a minor outrage in the development community.

    It looks to me like each community has an accepted form of opinion presentation, and straying outside that form brings criticism to the author, regardless of the content.

  • http://www.linkedin.com/in/robertfischer Robert Fischer

    That’s a good insight. I hadn’t thought about it before, but what I really hit was a conflict between different communities. Bear with me while I pick at this a bit more…

    Although the developer-blogger community’s influence can certainly be seen in my post, I was really speaking from a narrative theology standpoint — the kind of exchange that Speaking of Faith has popularized. It’s a way to validate an individual’s right to speak and be considered as legitimate without having to adopt their theology or invalidating other voices.

    But that just didn’t fly over at DailyKos, and it almost certainly wouldn’t fly at the right-wing equivalences, because the political conversation seems to have different standards than the theological conversation.

    That’s somewhat ironic, considering the fact that it’s liberal politicos who go around accusing religious people of being intolerant.

    Interesting…there’s a nugget of a blog post in here somewhere.

    My blog, of course.

  • bhurt

    I’ve got side with Hamlet here. Remember that DailyKos is not just a liberal site, it’s a liberal Democratic site. The difference is this: The currently elected Democrats suck. No argument there- you and me and Markos agree on that. The question is: what do we do about it? Your answer: “I’m leaving to work for someone on the otherside”. Surprise, that didn’t go over well with the people who’s response was to try and change the system from within.

    Put the shoe on the other foot: what would your response be if someone walked into your church and loudly announced that due to the various scandals and problems with christianity, they were becoming an atheist? What is they wanted the right to rebut the pastor’s sermon? The nicest response that person could probably expect is “that’s nice- the door’s there.” That’s not evidence of hostilitty, that’s evidence of inappropriateness.

    Or what would happen if I went on a Ron Paul site and aired my views on Ron Paul?

    It doesn’t help that there are still many on dKos who believe that Nader cost Gore the 2000 election- and thus is responsible for this whole mess of a Bush administration. These people do have a point, tho- be very carefull who you undercut, as the alternative may be worse- working for Nader may bring Bush to power.

    Mind you, I don’t beleive Nader is responsible for Bush getting elected (or at least getting close enough his pals on the SCOTUS could hand him the election)- IMHO, Nader should have been able to pull 15%, all from Gore, and Gore still should have won (all he had to say was “Four more years of Clinton without the sex scandals”). But that’s a different post. If anything, the landscape is better for the Democrats now than it was in 2000. That doesn’t mean the Democrats won’t snatch defeat from the jaws of crushing victory yet again, but if that happens, the ensuing Republican nightmare will not be my fault.

  • http://www.linkedin.com/in/robertfischer Robert Fischer

    Your analogy is weak — my post, though, wasn’t about how much I loved Ron Paul. It was about why I’m not supporting Democratic candidates right now, and what Democrats could do to to pull me (and probably $10+ million dollars worth of other) people.

  • bhurt

    No. What I said was wasn’t an analogy, it was spot on. All of the opinions you gave sound amazingly like Howard Dean, a lot like John Edwards, and even a fair bit like Dennis Kucinich. But rather than staying and helping to elect better Democrats, you’ve decided to go pitch for the other team. And announced such on a blog effectively dedicated to trying to elect more and better Democrats.

    And guess what, you weren’t warmly received.

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