Comments on: DynamicDomainProperties and the AGPL http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/posts/dynamicdomainproperties-grails-plugin-agpl/ programming, politics, & other religious issues Wed, 08 Feb 2012 14:16:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Ulrich Enslin http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/posts/dynamicdomainproperties-grails-plugin-agpl/#comment-37825 Ulrich Enslin Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:53:55 +0000 http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/?p=2309#comment-37825 Pitty so see you leaving the Grails community from this post(http://www.nofluffjuststuff.com/blog/robert_fischer/2010/05/formally_done_with_grails_plugins_and_mailing_lists) You have had a great hand in many plugins, and with you leaveing, grails are worser of for it. All the best Ulrich Pitty so see you leaving the Grails community from this post(http://www.nofluffjuststuff.com/blog/robert_fischer/2010/05/formally_done_with_grails_plugins_and_mailing_lists)

You have had a great hand in many plugins, and with you leaveing, grails are worser of for it.

All the best
Ulrich

]]> By: Robert Fischer http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/posts/dynamicdomainproperties-grails-plugin-agpl/#comment-37460 Robert Fischer Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:03:23 +0000 http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/?p=2309#comment-37460 Yes—as I stated in the OP, I want compensation for my open source work. And if that compensation isn't active engagement in a reciprocal open source community (a la the JavaScript/jQuery community) and isn't money, I'll take supporting free projects to the advantage over commercial projects as my compensation. Once upon a time, I viewed open source as just 'sharing useful code' (hence WTFPL/CC0), but that's not the relationship the Grails community seems happy with—see the links in the OP for that story. So if I put a lot of work into something and I'm concerned about needing to support it, I'm structuring my relationship differently. Yes—as I stated in the OP, I want compensation for my open source work. And if that compensation isn’t active engagement in a reciprocal open source community (a la the JavaScript/jQuery community) and isn’t money, I’ll take supporting free projects to the advantage over commercial projects as my compensation.

Once upon a time, I viewed open source as just ‘sharing useful code’ (hence WTFPL/CC0), but that’s not the relationship the Grails community seems happy with—see the links in the OP for that story. So if I put a lot of work into something and I’m concerned about needing to support it, I’m structuring my relationship differently.

]]> By: Sakuraba http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/posts/dynamicdomainproperties-grails-plugin-agpl/#comment-37459 Sakuraba Sat, 20 Mar 2010 11:06:25 +0000 http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/?p=2309#comment-37459 >> $250 donation is a steal I have no problem with you getting compensated for your work. If that plugin would fundamentally help me, then 250 bucks is not much, you are right. I think I d have some problem with my employer transfering the money to Pledgie but maybe other organizations are capable of that. The only thing I have a problem with, is the fact that you label your actions as a way of granting anybody freedom, when essentially you license your code in a way that reduces people's choice. The fact that it is not a standalone library, but something that offered you more freedom then you are willing to give others only intensifies this, as you benefited from being able to use Grails without compensating anyone. >> I’m preventing you from taking my hard work and using it for your commercial advantage while leaving both me and the wider community to rot. That is all I wanted to hear, since now your motives are clear and not hidden behind a "i do that to give you freedom"-mask ;) >> If you consider that kind of parasitic siphoning a right and a freedom to be defended, then you’ve got a warped, ungrateful, and vaguely evil concept of open source, and I don’t want you to use my stuff. I never accused you of things, so I am not gonna do it now. But that is not my view of opensource and not the reason why I was writing this. All I wanted was to let others reading this know that before making such a license choice they should remember whether they have benefited from others work in the process and whether it is fair to them to do such a move. >> $250 donation is a steal
I have no problem with you getting compensated for your work. If that plugin would fundamentally help me, then 250 bucks is not much, you are right. I think I d have some problem with my employer transfering the money to Pledgie but maybe other organizations are capable of that.

The only thing I have a problem with, is the fact that you label your actions as a way of granting anybody freedom, when essentially you license your code in a way that reduces people’s choice. The fact that it is not a standalone library, but something that offered you more freedom then you are willing to give others only intensifies this, as you benefited from being able to use Grails without compensating anyone.

>> I’m preventing you from taking my hard work and using it for your commercial advantage while leaving both me and the wider community to rot.

That is all I wanted to hear, since now your motives are clear and not hidden behind a “i do that to give you freedom”-mask ;)

>> If you consider that kind of parasitic siphoning a right and a freedom to be defended, then you’ve got a warped, ungrateful, and vaguely evil concept of open source, and I don’t want you to use my stuff.

I never accused you of things, so I am not gonna do it now. But that is not my view of opensource and not the reason why I was writing this. All I wanted was to let others reading this know that before making such a license choice they should remember whether they have benefited from others work in the process and whether it is fair to them to do such a move.

]]> By: Robert Fischer http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/posts/dynamicdomainproperties-grails-plugin-agpl/#comment-37456 Robert Fischer Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:50:04 +0000 http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/?p=2309#comment-37456 I appreciate the donation. Although I've used it, I'm starting to reconsider the word "monetizing". I'm not really concerned about "monetizing" my software—I'm concerned about making time in my schedule for open source software. My time is a zero-sum game, so developing open source software means not doing things that I can "foodetize" or "tuititionetize" or "keep-utilities-running-etize". Once upon a time, I had the (quite literal) <em>free</em> time to dedicate to open source—but now that free time is dedicated towards graduate school, so I need to make time some other way in my schedule. I appreciate the donation.

Although I’ve used it, I’m starting to reconsider the word “monetizing”. I’m not really concerned about “monetizing” my software—I’m concerned about making time in my schedule for open source software. My time is a zero-sum game, so developing open source software means not doing things that I can “foodetize” or “tuititionetize” or “keep-utilities-running-etize”. Once upon a time, I had the (quite literal) free time to dedicate to open source—but now that free time is dedicated towards graduate school, so I need to make time some other way in my schedule.

]]> By: Mark Menard http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/posts/dynamicdomainproperties-grails-plugin-agpl/#comment-37455 Mark Menard Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:31:22 +0000 http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/?p=2309#comment-37455 Robert, I really like the idea. You as the author have the right to distribute your work in any way you want. If someone doesn't like the terms they can go write it themselves. I think doing a Pledgie drive to cover your labor costs before releasing something under a liberal license is a good way to do it. Mark Robert,

I really like the idea. You as the author have the right to distribute your work in any way you want. If someone doesn’t like the terms they can go write it themselves.

I think doing a Pledgie drive to cover your labor costs before releasing something under a liberal license is a good way to do it.

Mark

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